The Problem with Modern Cars. part 1302

"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo) 01/25/2018 at 00:57 • Filed to: None

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Berang > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/25/2018 at 01:35

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not quite to Datsun levels yet

Svend > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/25/2018 at 01:50

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Thing is it would be just as much a wasted area if it was glass.

It’s not an area rear passengers would find useful for viewing through unless they were in a very uncomfortable position.

The driver would only glance rarely out of this window when driving at low speeds for a slightly better look after seeing something in the passenger side mirror or moving in or out a parking space.

Red circle represents the driver leaning forward and towards the centre to get the most view-able area past the head rest.

If that C pillar is giving more structural support to the roof, then brilliant.

gettingoldercarguy > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/25/2018 at 02:37

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Your CV on structural crash testing please!

Spanfeller is a twat > gettingoldercarguy 01/25/2018 at 04:44

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That c pilar looks like it could handle a lot more than its required.

Just by eyeing it; I know nothing about structural support, I simply suspect that it was either made this way for an aesthetic result or so that the pilar could be made out of cheaper material that perhaps needed that bulk in order to be structurally sound.

I don’t think the whole area needs to be a window, but I definitely question its design 

Echo51 > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/25/2018 at 05:14

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This was one of my mom’s biggest complaints when she had a new loaner car while her own was being checked/declared totalled, and i can only agree, coming from an older car those pillars just get thicker and thicker it seems.

Obivous solution is full glass greenhouse and a cage. a 2.25" tube barely steals any visibility!

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Berang 01/25/2018 at 05:40

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Huh, I guess it’s not just new cars. That seems like it be a lot like a smaller Veloster.

Ash78, voting early and often > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/25/2018 at 07:22

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People sometimes start talking about car safety features and I always say something like “The driver’s awareness is #1, followed by outward visibility.”

In almost all crashes, you play a part (unless you’re t-boned at a blind intersection or something totally unforeseen/catastrophic). Passive safety still matters, but active safety is first.

TheRealBicycleBuck > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/25/2018 at 08:10

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Amateur.

And don’t even get me started on vans.

TheRealBicycleBuck > Svend 01/25/2018 at 08:11

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That’s me trying to look around the A-pillar in most modern cars.

TheRealBicycleBuck > Ash78, voting early and often 01/25/2018 at 08:25

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“In almost all crashes, you play a part (unless you’re t-boned at a blind intersection or something totally unforeseen/catastrophic).”

A list of the wrecks I or my wife have been involved in since moving to Louisiana:

Explorer, me driving - hit on the right-rear quarter by someone backing out of a parking space. ~$5k to repair .

Explorer, wife driving - rear-ended on a four-lane divided highway. ~$8k to repair .

Explorer, wife driving - rear-ended again on the same four-lane divided highway at a different intersection (minor damage to bumper). less than $1k to repair .

WRX, me driving - T-boned on a four-lane highway with a center and right-hand turn lane by an idiot pulling out of a parking lot. He never looked left. ~$15k to repair.

Explorer, me driving - rear-ended on a two-lane highway while pulling a trailer. Explorer totaled.

None of these wrecks were our fault. Every one could not have been anticipated and were 100% the other driver’s fault. In every case , the other driver was cited.

I think our record breaks your supposition.

Ash78, voting early and often > TheRealBicycleBuck 01/25/2018 at 08:41

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Dayum!

I’m at zero wrecks in 24 years of driving — I’ve avoided a couple rear enders by pulling off to the right, so I’ve got curb rash and alignnments to show for it, but nothing serious. Baton Rouge has got to have some horrid drivers from what you’re describing.

TheRealBicycleBuck > Ash78, voting early and often 01/25/2018 at 08:56

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Louisiana has some of the highest insurance rates in the nation. That’s a reflection of the high accident rate and lax litigation laws.

When my wife was rear-ended the first time, we were waiting on the shoulder for over an hour waiting for the police to show. After the police arrived, there were three more wrecks caused by people gawking at the scene and rear-ending someone else . The worst involved three cars. In total, nine cars were wrecked at that location that afternoon.

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > Echo51 01/25/2018 at 09:08

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Yes, mandated racing suits, helmets, and hans devices for everyone! I wonder why this was never considered. I mean just prep everyone and every car like it were a race car. The amount of insane crashes that people surive in racing has ought to make street driving safer if it were applied that way. Then we could have faster speed limits too since crash risk is lower.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > TheRealBicycleBuck 01/25/2018 at 09:16

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Well in a cargo van it makes sense, because you’re just going to line the walls with selves and stuff. Or you know wood paneling and shag carpet

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > TheRealBicycleBuck 01/25/2018 at 09:17

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They were still a persons fault, which I think was the what he meant.

TheRealBicycleBuck > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/25/2018 at 09:39

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That’s not what I read. Ash wrote: “In almost all crashes, you play a part....” By inference that means that I (or my wife) played a part in at least some of the crashes we were involved in. I provided a rather long list of crashes that happened over a relatively short period of time in which we were not responsible for the crash. In every case presented, we were operating our vehicles in a safe manner below the posted speed limits. Even when our vehicles were rear-ended, there were no sudden stops that might have precipitated the wreck.

In short, I think his supposition is wrong. In almost all crashes, driver error plays a part (which is your point) , but in my experience, that error usually belongs to one of the drivers, not all of the drivers. His statement suggests that every person contributes to the wreck and that a change in driver awareness can lead to avoidance.

Brickman > TheRealBicycleBuck 01/25/2018 at 09:40

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Thats Louisiana for ya. Drivers licences free with bowl of Gumbo :)

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > TheRealBicycleBuck 01/25/2018 at 09:42

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He said unless it’s somethjng unforeseen. Like some one less being a total knob

Echo51 > Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) 01/25/2018 at 09:42

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2-way roads might run into issues once people start apexing properly however. But hell yes, Formula Trucks on the road??

TheRealBicycleBuck > Brickman 01/25/2018 at 09:48

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I had words with the owner of one of the driving schools. She came to a complete stop at a flashing yellow, nearly causing a wreck. I called the number on the car. She said they teach the kids to stop at flashing yellows because it’s safer than just slowing down and proceeding with caution. That is in direct conflict with the law.

I didn’t send my daughter to that  driving school!

Arrivederci > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/25/2018 at 09:53

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Totally agree - not only would that improve the look of the vehicle (IMO), it would improve visibility.

fintail > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/25/2018 at 09:53

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I suspect to the type of people who get excited about these things, an upkick in the beltline might seem dynamic and exciting (hence why Lexus runs with it), and might even be cheaper to build. Less light in the interior might make it seem more secure and isolated, which is desired by the masses.  Nobody ever looks behind while driving anyway, so why not.

TheRealBicycleBuck > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/25/2018 at 09:56

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The problem with that position is that in most wrecks, at least one person is caught completely unaware. That means that in most wrecks, something is unforeseen by at least one person involved.

I’m all for vigilance and active safety, but it’s wrong to assume that active safety, as he suggests, can prevent you from being involved in a crash. If everyone were practicing active safety, then the number of crashes would be greatly reduced. But that’s not the argument he makes.

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TheRealBicycleBuck > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/25/2018 at 09:57

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Or candy. Lots of free candy.

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > Echo51 01/25/2018 at 10:42

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Well then its like figure 8 racing!

gmctavish needs more space > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/25/2018 at 12:16

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I want to like the XC40 more than I do, but I can’t deal with that surely massive blind spot.